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		<title>By: Madame Hardy</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-19462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madame Hardy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, the book has come out (minus the survey information) and it is bad in *all* the ways you predicted.

http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the book has come out (minus the survey information) and it is bad in *all* the ways you predicted.</p>
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<p style="font-size: 10px;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098" target="_blank">A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the World&#039;s Largest Experiment Reveals about Human Desire</a></p>
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		<title>By: true, but not for you &#171; Letters from Titan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[true, but not for you &#171; Letters from Titan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Since posting a blurb about the SurveyFail book finally coming out, I&#8217;ve found myself circling back to the thing in my own head quite a bit. The most obvious reason for this is that I was definitely involved in that disaster. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Since posting a blurb about the SurveyFail book finally coming out, I&#8217;ve found myself circling back to the thing in my own head quite a bit. The most obvious reason for this is that I was definitely involved in that disaster. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Downey&#8217;s top 10 of 2009 &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-10295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Downey&#8217;s top 10 of 2009 &#171; Neuroanthropology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] SurveyFail redax: Downey adds to Lende &#8212; Following up on a post by Daniel on research ethics problems for online researchers, this [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: franzeska</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-7836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[franzeska]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think the point of Rule 34 is less that every possible type of porn exists (despite what it literally says) and more that the statement &quot;No one could possibly make porn out of &lt;i&gt;that!&lt;/i&gt;&quot; instantly causes the internet to correct the oversight... especially if you sound really horrified while you say it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think the point of Rule 34 is less that every possible type of porn exists (despite what it literally says) and more that the statement &#8220;No one could possibly make porn out of <i>that!</i>&#8221; instantly causes the internet to correct the oversight&#8230; especially if you sound really horrified while you say it.</p>
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		<title>By: norah</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-7829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[norah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I couldn&#039;t resist the Rule 34 comment - have some more &quot;anthropomorfic&quot; - 

http://norah.dreamwidth.org/155091.html

Including:qualitative/quantitative,
truth/lie,
peace/justice,
theory/practice,
and/or,
academia/pure maths, and 
diet/junk food...among other pairings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I couldn&#8217;t resist the Rule 34 comment &#8211; have some more &#8220;anthropomorfic&#8221; &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://norah.dreamwidth.org/155091.html" rel="nofollow">http://norah.dreamwidth.org/155091.html</a></p>
<p>Including:qualitative/quantitative,<br />
truth/lie,<br />
peace/justice,<br />
theory/practice,<br />
and/or,<br />
academia/pure maths, and<br />
diet/junk food&#8230;among other pairings.</p>
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		<title>By: Elf</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-7408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked for Titanic/Iceberg slash but didn&#039;t come up with any. (I may have to write it. Damn you.) However, the Star Trek XI Kink Meme (can I just say, &quot;you probably don&#039;t want to know?&quot;) has produced:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/379.html?thread=908411#t908411&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enterprise/Narada&lt;/a&gt; dubcon (dubious consent), 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/2494.html?thread=6165950#t6165950&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enterprise/Scotty&lt;/a&gt; (wherein the phrase &quot;Technosexuality Awareness day&quot; makes its debut), 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/379.html?thread=194939#t194939&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enterprise/Kirk&lt;/a&gt;, and
&lt;a href=&quot;http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/4765.html?thread=12726429#t12726429&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transporter/Ion storm&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked for Titanic/Iceberg slash but didn&#8217;t come up with any. (I may have to write it. Damn you.) However, the Star Trek XI Kink Meme (can I just say, &#8220;you probably don&#8217;t want to know?&#8221;) has produced:<br />
<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/379.html?thread=908411#t908411" rel="nofollow">Enterprise/Narada</a> dubcon (dubious consent),<br />
<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/2494.html?thread=6165950#t6165950" rel="nofollow">Enterprise/Scotty</a> (wherein the phrase &#8220;Technosexuality Awareness day&#8221; makes its debut),<br />
<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/379.html?thread=194939#t194939" rel="nofollow">Enterprise/Kirk</a>, and<br />
<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/st_xi_kink/4765.html?thread=12726429#t12726429" rel="nofollow">Transporter/Ion storm</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Feral Fan</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-7215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Feral Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;From relieving boredom, to keeping the peace or curing a headache, women have sex for many reasons but romance and passion come rather low on the list, a new book has revealed.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26041735-36398,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link to story&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From relieving boredom, to keeping the peace or curing a headache, women have sex for many reasons but romance and passion come rather low on the list, a new book has revealed.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26041735-36398,00.html" rel="nofollow">Link to story</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonquil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonquil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was scarred for life by a friend who wrote Kissinger/Nixon in a hot tub on just such a dare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was scarred for life by a friend who wrote Kissinger/Nixon in a hot tub on just such a dare.</p>
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		<title>By: Sex on the brain &#38; neuroanthropology on sex &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2009/09/07/surveyfail-redax-downey-adds-to-lende/#comment-7027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sex on the brain &#38; neuroanthropology on sex &#171; Neuroanthropology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] SurveyFail redax: Downey adds to&#160;Lende [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: slashpine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[slashpine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t the time to do your post, or the previous comments, the honor of a correspondingly &quot;thinky&quot; response, but I do want to say how much I enjoyed (and have saved) your intelligent critique.  

As an academic working in comm studies as well as sciences (and a fan! another of those aca-fen!), I appreciate your noting that the speed and close networking of fandom communication was a big part of OgiSai&#039;s survey implosion. It speaks volumes for the hype that has been trumpeted about the internet as the &quot;new frontier,&quot; the &quot;global commons,&quot; the &quot;new village square,&quot; etc., that when this predicted cross-linkage of discourse and dialogue actually occurs, people are taken by surprise. The online newspaper &quot;comments&quot; sections, like this blog, are basically still no more dialogic or synchronous than snail-mailed letters to the editor or paper interoffice memos.

Also, your suggestion of inflexibility as a characteristic of &#039;bad research&#039; is interesting. I&#039;ll be thinking on this some more. It would be nice if IRBs asked about this, but my feeling is that the research design process taught to most PhDs works toward the opposite: to set up very detailed, rigidly finalized designs that respond well to questions from one&#039;s committee, less well to the real world thereafter where the research must be carried out. But that&#039;s the hierarchy of priorities in academia: social and bureaucratic rules trump research realities quite often.

I doubt fandom is not entirely soured for good researchers by the OgiSai&#039;s unbelievably poor survey design and, as you beautifully termed it, their &quot;craptastic pseudo-scientific free association masquerading as ‘evolutionary theory.’&quot; Partly because so many fans are educated, and also because as you say, fans are highly self-studying and open to a wide range of theories. They&#039;ve seen decent research before (they read it) and also, OgiSai was like a lot of hurricanes, intense where it happened, but quick and so localized that many fans will never have heard of them. 

Also, as it happens, the majority of fans with college education skew toward the humanities end of things, with some social science and far less natural sciences, and they tend more toward a deferential respect for science than the critical stance that more familiarity might bring them. In short, there&#039;s less pomo or science studies critique in most universities than one might expect after the vitriol of the Science Wars. (Too bad, I might possibly add.) That tendency to respect scientists slinging around credentials and long words helped OgiSai get those purported 2000 responses, I believe (the &quot;do it for science!&quot; appeal was pitched perfectly). It wore off pretty rapidly, of course, in the face of their inability to clarify their goals and reluctance to give any direct answers, but the willingness to be helpful ended only because of their ineptitude.

I hope to come back and digest more of your comments about biological-cultural connections; my PhD now being completed attempts to sketch out some of these, in the area of &quot;meanings of soil&quot; (i.e., why does &quot;dirt&quot;=&quot;disgust&quot;, along with other both positive and negative associations). The efforts to cross the 2 cultures divide, to make these &quot;promiscuous&quot; connections transparent not simply in the brain, but in social systems of meaning (and environmental meanings) are truly fascinating, and very new, and I would love to see them all worked out! (It would certainly have made my own research easier.) 

I&#039;d love to see you write more about slash fanfic and fandom communities. Do think about some research! Or help us ponder some &quot;FAQ for would-be fandom researchers, including questions for fans to ask *them*&quot;, which we appear to need and likely to be formulating.  You&#039;re right about the amazement of a community that is articulate and willing to truly jump into participatory research. I trained as an anthropologist, and laughed out loud at your comments on non-talkative informants. I&#039;ve had that feeling working with two groups in the US - farmers, and scientists. Fandom is such a delight by comparison!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t the time to do your post, or the previous comments, the honor of a correspondingly &#8220;thinky&#8221; response, but I do want to say how much I enjoyed (and have saved) your intelligent critique.  </p>
<p>As an academic working in comm studies as well as sciences (and a fan! another of those aca-fen!), I appreciate your noting that the speed and close networking of fandom communication was a big part of OgiSai&#8217;s survey implosion. It speaks volumes for the hype that has been trumpeted about the internet as the &#8220;new frontier,&#8221; the &#8220;global commons,&#8221; the &#8220;new village square,&#8221; etc., that when this predicted cross-linkage of discourse and dialogue actually occurs, people are taken by surprise. The online newspaper &#8220;comments&#8221; sections, like this blog, are basically still no more dialogic or synchronous than snail-mailed letters to the editor or paper interoffice memos.</p>
<p>Also, your suggestion of inflexibility as a characteristic of &#8216;bad research&#8217; is interesting. I&#8217;ll be thinking on this some more. It would be nice if IRBs asked about this, but my feeling is that the research design process taught to most PhDs works toward the opposite: to set up very detailed, rigidly finalized designs that respond well to questions from one&#8217;s committee, less well to the real world thereafter where the research must be carried out. But that&#8217;s the hierarchy of priorities in academia: social and bureaucratic rules trump research realities quite often.</p>
<p>I doubt fandom is not entirely soured for good researchers by the OgiSai&#8217;s unbelievably poor survey design and, as you beautifully termed it, their &#8220;craptastic pseudo-scientific free association masquerading as ‘evolutionary theory.’&#8221; Partly because so many fans are educated, and also because as you say, fans are highly self-studying and open to a wide range of theories. They&#8217;ve seen decent research before (they read it) and also, OgiSai was like a lot of hurricanes, intense where it happened, but quick and so localized that many fans will never have heard of them. </p>
<p>Also, as it happens, the majority of fans with college education skew toward the humanities end of things, with some social science and far less natural sciences, and they tend more toward a deferential respect for science than the critical stance that more familiarity might bring them. In short, there&#8217;s less pomo or science studies critique in most universities than one might expect after the vitriol of the Science Wars. (Too bad, I might possibly add.) That tendency to respect scientists slinging around credentials and long words helped OgiSai get those purported 2000 responses, I believe (the &#8220;do it for science!&#8221; appeal was pitched perfectly). It wore off pretty rapidly, of course, in the face of their inability to clarify their goals and reluctance to give any direct answers, but the willingness to be helpful ended only because of their ineptitude.</p>
<p>I hope to come back and digest more of your comments about biological-cultural connections; my PhD now being completed attempts to sketch out some of these, in the area of &#8220;meanings of soil&#8221; (i.e., why does &#8220;dirt&#8221;=&#8221;disgust&#8221;, along with other both positive and negative associations). The efforts to cross the 2 cultures divide, to make these &#8220;promiscuous&#8221; connections transparent not simply in the brain, but in social systems of meaning (and environmental meanings) are truly fascinating, and very new, and I would love to see them all worked out! (It would certainly have made my own research easier.) </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see you write more about slash fanfic and fandom communities. Do think about some research! Or help us ponder some &#8220;FAQ for would-be fandom researchers, including questions for fans to ask *them*&#8221;, which we appear to need and likely to be formulating.  You&#8217;re right about the amazement of a community that is articulate and willing to truly jump into participatory research. I trained as an anthropologist, and laughed out loud at your comments on non-talkative informants. I&#8217;ve had that feeling working with two groups in the US &#8211; farmers, and scientists. Fandom is such a delight by comparison!</p>
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