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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for the reply. i suppose i may have gotten hung up on the language, which at least to me seemed to stipulate that that the selection of pictures was an overtly &lt;b&gt;conscious&lt;/b&gt; effort of students to portray themselves as socially desirable. you say: &quot;...the way I understand the issue of online portrayal is not that young people are actively excluding aspects of their lives, in the sense of consciously sitting down and saying, hmm, what kind of online identity do I want to build? &lt;i&gt;Often young people are not thinking about that.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; Note that in the conclusion, the use of the term &#039;flaunt&#039; makes it clear that the authors believe students select pictures in order to, as the definition goes, &#039;display something ostentatiously in order to provoke envy or admiration.&#039; i see it as &#039;flaunting&#039; pictures online can only occur if one&#039;s acutely aware of their online identity. i would have liked to see some data or survey results indicating that the students sampled do in fact post pictures for these reasons. also, i&#039;m hung up on the use of the term &#039;exclusion&#039; in this paper. you argue that students are not &lt;i&gt;actively&lt;/i&gt; excluding aspects of their lives, which i find confusing as the definition of exclude is to &#039;deny (someone) access or to bar (someone) from a place/group/privilege.&#039; i suggest not using this term as it is misleading and clearly implies (by definition) that this is an active choice on part of the student. 
the argument that i was attempting to present was simply that this issue seems to come down to predominantly situational factors regardless of an active or conscious desire to improve one&#039;s image/attack one&#039;s enemies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the reply. i suppose i may have gotten hung up on the language, which at least to me seemed to stipulate that that the selection of pictures was an overtly <b>conscious</b> effort of students to portray themselves as socially desirable. you say: &#8220;&#8230;the way I understand the issue of online portrayal is not that young people are actively excluding aspects of their lives, in the sense of consciously sitting down and saying, hmm, what kind of online identity do I want to build? <i>Often young people are not thinking about that.</i>&#8221; Note that in the conclusion, the use of the term &#8216;flaunt&#8217; makes it clear that the authors believe students select pictures in order to, as the definition goes, &#8216;display something ostentatiously in order to provoke envy or admiration.&#8217; i see it as &#8216;flaunting&#8217; pictures online can only occur if one&#8217;s acutely aware of their online identity. i would have liked to see some data or survey results indicating that the students sampled do in fact post pictures for these reasons. also, i&#8217;m hung up on the use of the term &#8216;exclusion&#8217; in this paper. you argue that students are not <i>actively</i> excluding aspects of their lives, which i find confusing as the definition of exclude is to &#8216;deny (someone) access or to bar (someone) from a place/group/privilege.&#8217; i suggest not using this term as it is misleading and clearly implies (by definition) that this is an active choice on part of the student.<br />
the argument that i was attempting to present was simply that this issue seems to come down to predominantly situational factors regardless of an active or conscious desire to improve one&#8217;s image/attack one&#8217;s enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: dlende</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nigel, you don’t really present a counter-point.  You take one idea from the piece by the students and re-work it as your own – that where young people run into cameras is the determining factor.  My students dubbed this the “camera effect.”

In your scenario, the pictures portrayed are a “a result of being in a situation where peers generally choose to take pictures, aka parties where kids are drunk and are therefore probably more likely to take pictures…”  You nonetheless miss the issue of choice.  Young people are choosing to take photos at these parties, and once again choosing to post these sorts of photos on their social networking profile.  The question is, as the students say, is Why?

To simply say this is “due to the decreased inhibition that results from, well, alcohol intoxication” shows that you haven’t thought through the problem.  Young people are taking cameras with them to parties, they are posing for these photos, they are discussing them online.  Intoxication is only one part of the scenario.

Also, the way I understand the issue of online portrayal is not that young people are actively excluding aspects of their lives, in the sense of consciously sitting down and saying, hmm, what kind of online identity do I want to build?

Often young people are not thinking about that.  I know that college job counselors often tell students to go over their profiles carefully before applying for jobs, because they have put up these sorts of photos.  Again the question becomes Why?  Intoxication and the camera effect don’t address the actual putting up of the photos.

I find it rather ironic that you say several times that you have “no numbers” and then got all hot and bothered that the students haven’t presented more data.  They did get some data, and acknowledge its weaknesses.  It would have been much more interesting if you had described at further length what a more formal study would have looked like.

That said, that kind of study would not necessarily get at the anthropological reasons “why” – that there are issues of identity, symbolism, social relationships, and the like that are important in why we do what we do.  The students took this angle of analysis, and backed it up through the small study as well as a qualitative examination of profiles online.  Their write-up also came out of this qualitative work.

Finally, if you are looking for more data, Megan Moreno is one researcher in this just-emerging area.  The students mentioned her work during their class presentation but didn’t include her research in their post.  She has two recent papers, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2234280&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Are Adolescents Showing the World About Their Health Risk Behaviors on MySpace?&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://archpedi.highwire.org/cgi/content/abstract/163/1/27&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Display of Health Risk Behaviors on MySpace by Adolescents&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel, you don’t really present a counter-point.  You take one idea from the piece by the students and re-work it as your own – that where young people run into cameras is the determining factor.  My students dubbed this the “camera effect.”</p>
<p>In your scenario, the pictures portrayed are a “a result of being in a situation where peers generally choose to take pictures, aka parties where kids are drunk and are therefore probably more likely to take pictures…”  You nonetheless miss the issue of choice.  Young people are choosing to take photos at these parties, and once again choosing to post these sorts of photos on their social networking profile.  The question is, as the students say, is Why?</p>
<p>To simply say this is “due to the decreased inhibition that results from, well, alcohol intoxication” shows that you haven’t thought through the problem.  Young people are taking cameras with them to parties, they are posing for these photos, they are discussing them online.  Intoxication is only one part of the scenario.</p>
<p>Also, the way I understand the issue of online portrayal is not that young people are actively excluding aspects of their lives, in the sense of consciously sitting down and saying, hmm, what kind of online identity do I want to build?</p>
<p>Often young people are not thinking about that.  I know that college job counselors often tell students to go over their profiles carefully before applying for jobs, because they have put up these sorts of photos.  Again the question becomes Why?  Intoxication and the camera effect don’t address the actual putting up of the photos.</p>
<p>I find it rather ironic that you say several times that you have “no numbers” and then got all hot and bothered that the students haven’t presented more data.  They did get some data, and acknowledge its weaknesses.  It would have been much more interesting if you had described at further length what a more formal study would have looked like.</p>
<p>That said, that kind of study would not necessarily get at the anthropological reasons “why” – that there are issues of identity, symbolism, social relationships, and the like that are important in why we do what we do.  The students took this angle of analysis, and backed it up through the small study as well as a qualitative examination of profiles online.  Their write-up also came out of this qualitative work.</p>
<p>Finally, if you are looking for more data, Megan Moreno is one researcher in this just-emerging area.  The students mentioned her work during their class presentation but didn’t include her research in their post.  She has two recent papers, <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2234280" rel="nofollow">What Are Adolescents Showing the World About Their Health Risk Behaviors on MySpace?</a> and <a href="http://archpedi.highwire.org/cgi/content/abstract/163/1/27" rel="nofollow">Display of Health Risk Behaviors on MySpace by Adolescents</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i would like to present a counterpoint: this article is completely off balance. the high degree of alcohol-related pictures on social networking sites has absolutely nothing to do w/ how kids choose to portray themselves online; what matters is where they&#039;re most likely to run into a camera. i would argue that the pictures found on one&#039;s facebook/myspace/xsocialnetworkingsite are there as a result of being in a situation where peers generally choose to take pictures (aka parties where kids are drunk and are therefore probably more likely to take pictures due to the decreased inhibition that results from, well, alcohol intoxication), not what the social network user &#039;chooses&#039; to portray; the &#039;camera effect&#039;, as you call it. unfortunately, the authors shrug off this concept since there are apparently cameras at sporting events. the question i have for the authors of this paper is, who takes the most pictures at sporting events? kids? ehhh. parents/adults? probably. (i have no numbers of this although i think its a reasonable assumption) how many parents post pictures of their kids on social networking sites? ehh probably not many. (again i have no numbers of this, but again it&#039;s probably a reasonable assumption) as for not posting pictures of academic events.. are there typically many cameras at such events? do middle age school employees tend to have a social networking page on which they would post pictures? do they friend/tag their students? i feel as though many factors were overlooked in a desire to prove this half baked theory. the concept of a student ACTIVELY excluding aspects of their lives (the &#039;responsible&#039; aspects, at least) in order to be &#039;cool&#039; is not objectively supported by any statistics or &#039;hard evidence&#039; found in this paper; i see no references to actual student surveys regarding their own perceptions of social networking pictures and how they choose which to post. 
oh, and there&#039;s this: &quot;While it is difficult to come to a solid conclusion from this limited evidence of alcohol-related pictures, it does help support the hypothesis that young people in general tend to create their social identities through social networking profiles.&quot;
^i would love to know how you came to that conclusion simply due to the presence of alcohol in pictures. really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to present a counterpoint: this article is completely off balance. the high degree of alcohol-related pictures on social networking sites has absolutely nothing to do w/ how kids choose to portray themselves online; what matters is where they&#8217;re most likely to run into a camera. i would argue that the pictures found on one&#8217;s facebook/myspace/xsocialnetworkingsite are there as a result of being in a situation where peers generally choose to take pictures (aka parties where kids are drunk and are therefore probably more likely to take pictures due to the decreased inhibition that results from, well, alcohol intoxication), not what the social network user &#8216;chooses&#8217; to portray; the &#8216;camera effect&#8217;, as you call it. unfortunately, the authors shrug off this concept since there are apparently cameras at sporting events. the question i have for the authors of this paper is, who takes the most pictures at sporting events? kids? ehhh. parents/adults? probably. (i have no numbers of this although i think its a reasonable assumption) how many parents post pictures of their kids on social networking sites? ehh probably not many. (again i have no numbers of this, but again it&#8217;s probably a reasonable assumption) as for not posting pictures of academic events.. are there typically many cameras at such events? do middle age school employees tend to have a social networking page on which they would post pictures? do they friend/tag their students? i feel as though many factors were overlooked in a desire to prove this half baked theory. the concept of a student ACTIVELY excluding aspects of their lives (the &#8216;responsible&#8217; aspects, at least) in order to be &#8216;cool&#8217; is not objectively supported by any statistics or &#8216;hard evidence&#8217; found in this paper; i see no references to actual student surveys regarding their own perceptions of social networking pictures and how they choose which to post.<br />
oh, and there&#8217;s this: &#8220;While it is difficult to come to a solid conclusion from this limited evidence of alcohol-related pictures, it does help support the hypothesis that young people in general tend to create their social identities through social networking profiles.&#8221;<br />
^i would love to know how you came to that conclusion simply due to the presence of alcohol in pictures. really.</p>
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