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		<title>By: stress disorder</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/08/31/women-on-tests-update-response-to-stress/#comment-9443</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve recently started a blog, the information you provide on this site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time &amp; work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently started a blog, the information you provide on this site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time &amp; work.</p>
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		<title>By: NeonsModels</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/08/31/women-on-tests-update-response-to-stress/#comment-3032</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, they are ignored, jammed deeply into back corners of brains, denied. Patients and doctors, it’s clear, have trouble talking sex. Many adults would like to discuss sexual problems, research indicates, but don’t—for fear that doctors will dismiss their concerns, or worse. Women appear especially likely to stay mum, says Anita Clayton, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Virginia and coauthor of Satisfaction: Women, Sex, and the Quest for Intimacy. “Everyone has the right to a satisfying sex life.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, they are ignored, jammed deeply into back corners of brains, denied. Patients and doctors, it’s clear, have trouble talking sex. Many adults would like to discuss sexual problems, research indicates, but don’t—for fear that doctors will dismiss their concerns, or worse. Women appear especially likely to stay mum, says Anita Clayton, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Virginia and coauthor of Satisfaction: Women, Sex, and the Quest for Intimacy. “Everyone has the right to a satisfying sex life.”</p>
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		<title>By: gregdowney</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Destroyer --
I understand what you&#039;re saying about the reading gap, although I&#039;d disagree that this gap is discussed a lot relative to the &#039;math gap.&#039;  My wife and daughter will likely give me hell, but the other possibility is that girls&#039; patterns of vocalization and vocal interaction, including while alone, might generate a lot more experience with language.  There&#039;s some studies that indicate that girls talk and are talked to more than boys, although these have come under criticism on both theoretical and empirical grounds.  But this sort of difference in unstructured &#039;practice&#039; might have a real training effect on verbal and reading skills.  Again, this is purely speculation.

Interesting what you write, too, about the lower end of variance.  I&#039;m not sure about this.  Again, I think boys&#039; socialization in relation to school, peer group dynamics, and other issues may drive this ratio into extreme disproportion.  Even tendencies towards physical confrontation or aggression style might get more boys in trouble at school and lead to expulsion or other performance-deflating consequences.  The difference might even be &#039;biological&#039; but it would not be a variance in &#039;math ability&#039; or another way of talking about overall academic performance.  Part of the issue still seems to me to be that &#039;math ability&#039; or IQ or &#039;intellectual potential&#039; would be all be synthetic abilities, composed of a number of variables.

I think I&#039;m less suspicious of the &#039;biological variance&#039; part of the argument, that boys might be more variable than girls, than I am of the notion that math scores illuminate genetically predetermined &#039;math ability.&#039;  There are so many other, less speculative ways of talking about the test score variance.  &#039;Math ability&#039; as a yet-to-be-found genetic endowment seems like a convenient intellectual rug to sweep this question under, instead of taking the next step and starting to pull apart the notion of &#039;math ability&#039; into something that might be more carefully and empirically examined.

Greg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Destroyer &#8211;<br />
I understand what you&#8217;re saying about the reading gap, although I&#8217;d disagree that this gap is discussed a lot relative to the &#8216;math gap.&#8217;  My wife and daughter will likely give me hell, but the other possibility is that girls&#8217; patterns of vocalization and vocal interaction, including while alone, might generate a lot more experience with language.  There&#8217;s some studies that indicate that girls talk and are talked to more than boys, although these have come under criticism on both theoretical and empirical grounds.  But this sort of difference in unstructured &#8216;practice&#8217; might have a real training effect on verbal and reading skills.  Again, this is purely speculation.</p>
<p>Interesting what you write, too, about the lower end of variance.  I&#8217;m not sure about this.  Again, I think boys&#8217; socialization in relation to school, peer group dynamics, and other issues may drive this ratio into extreme disproportion.  Even tendencies towards physical confrontation or aggression style might get more boys in trouble at school and lead to expulsion or other performance-deflating consequences.  The difference might even be &#8216;biological&#8217; but it would not be a variance in &#8216;math ability&#8217; or another way of talking about overall academic performance.  Part of the issue still seems to me to be that &#8216;math ability&#8217; or IQ or &#8216;intellectual potential&#8217; would be all be synthetic abilities, composed of a number of variables.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m less suspicious of the &#8216;biological variance&#8217; part of the argument, that boys might be more variable than girls, than I am of the notion that math scores illuminate genetically predetermined &#8216;math ability.&#8217;  There are so many other, less speculative ways of talking about the test score variance.  &#8216;Math ability&#8217; as a yet-to-be-found genetic endowment seems like a convenient intellectual rug to sweep this question under, instead of taking the next step and starting to pull apart the notion of &#8216;math ability&#8217; into something that might be more carefully and empirically examined.</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>By: kid destroyer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess one argument in favor of the variance being biological is that when you look at the very, very low end of intelligence you get many more men.  I think the further down the intelligence spectrum you go, the more of an imbalance you get (from 3:1 to 16:1 I think?).

Of course, if we are using IQ as some measure of something, we don&#039;t *really* know the higher order statistics of it, right?  And I&#039;d imagine that most of the variance difference at the higher end on tests like this are due to cultural factors or are so plastic in response to cultural factors and work ethic that it might well end up being meaningless.

Oh, and I&#039;d say the same thing about the reading gap between men and women.  I never understand why I hear so much less about that.  I&#039;ve assumed it&#039;s because those tests are partially a function of how much you read, and women tend to read more?  But I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess one argument in favor of the variance being biological is that when you look at the very, very low end of intelligence you get many more men.  I think the further down the intelligence spectrum you go, the more of an imbalance you get (from 3:1 to 16:1 I think?).</p>
<p>Of course, if we are using IQ as some measure of something, we don&#8217;t *really* know the higher order statistics of it, right?  And I&#8217;d imagine that most of the variance difference at the higher end on tests like this are due to cultural factors or are so plastic in response to cultural factors and work ethic that it might well end up being meaningless.</p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;d say the same thing about the reading gap between men and women.  I never understand why I hear so much less about that.  I&#8217;ve assumed it&#8217;s because those tests are partially a function of how much you read, and women tend to read more?  But I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogwatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Girls closing math gap?: Troubles with intelligence #1 &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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