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		<title>By: What do these enigmatic women want? &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/04/23/how-well-do-we-know-our-brains/#comment-4522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What do these enigmatic women want? &#171; Neuroanthropology]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] perceptions or bodies. We’ve been down this road before at Neuroanthropology.net (for example, at How well do we know our brains?), but the bottom line is that there are lots of areas of life where self-reported state is [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Cultural Brain in Five Flavors &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to locate morality in the brain, and much else besides. For the second type, we’ve addressed free will and neuroscience, tried to get beyond the it’s good/it’s bad dichotomy that prevails when discussing our use of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to locate morality in the brain, and much else besides. For the second type, we’ve addressed free will and neuroscience, tried to get beyond the it’s good/it’s bad dichotomy that prevails when discussing our use of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Our Top Ten, Six Months In &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<title>By: Rav Michael Laitman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rav Michael Laitman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 08:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A person doesn’t realize that his inner system of desires has already made all the calculations and put out the result. Such studies prove what Kabbalah has been saying all along: everything depends on our desire, and not on our external, philosophical reasoning. Thus, only the Upper Light can correct us; we cannot correct ourselves &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laitman.com/2008/04/do-our-choices-originate-in-our-brain-or-in-our-desire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; on our own&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A person doesn’t realize that his inner system of desires has already made all the calculations and put out the result. Such studies prove what Kabbalah has been saying all along: everything depends on our desire, and not on our external, philosophical reasoning. Thus, only the Upper Light can correct us; we cannot correct ourselves <a href="http://www.laitman.com/2008/04/do-our-choices-originate-in-our-brain-or-in-our-desire/" rel="nofollow"> on our own</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this post.

The study has appeared on a number of blogs in a number of different contexts but always making the same point - that imaging can detect activity which suggests the decision to press a left or right button is made a number of milliseconds BEFORE we are consciously aware of having made the decision.  The accuracy of the prediction based on imaging has been reported at approximately 60% if I recall correctly.

Whilst this accuracy is greater than chance, meaning the prediction has some validity, I think that the conclusion that humans only have an illusion of free will is a very poor one.  The decision to press a left or right button is essentially a &quot;random&quot; decision, as random as choosing A or B can ever be from within your own mind, rather than flipping a coin.  My point is that, in a &quot;random&quot; decision such as this, is it really surprising that micropatterns in neural activity, which could easily be described as neural &quot;noise&quot; give the person a subconcious inclination to chose one button over another?  As the person may feel they are choosing the button &quot;at random&quot; using their own &quot;free will&quot; this is not surprising at all.

Now, if we consider a &quot;reasoned&quot; as opposed to &quot;random&quot; use of free will, the pattern might be very different.  Consider quitting smoking cigarettes, which is a hard act of free will, requiring &quot;willpower&quot;.  In this case, although it is not yet possible to detect this, we could hypothesize that there would be micropatterns in neural activity relating to dopamine activation of synapses following nicotine inhalation, that give the person a subconcious craving to continue smoking.  If an MRI scanner could detect this activity, we might be able to predict if a person would find it easier or harder to quit smoking, with say, 60% accuracy.

Whilst it is arguable that a person might not be able to quit cigarettes if the addiction and craving exceeds their &quot;willpower&quot; it is ridiculous to argue that the person in the study above would not have been able to change their mind and press a different button, should they so wish.  This ability, to inhibit our actions and responses, is tested by neuropsychological tests such as the Stroop Test.  I would argue that the ability to inhibit our actions and/or change our minds, examples of Executive Function, are an example of a limited capacity for &quot;Free Will&quot; or &quot;Willpower&quot;.  The fact that we might chose button A randomly over button B and that this random decision is influenced by neural noise of which we are not conscious does nothing to disprove the concept of Free Will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.</p>
<p>The study has appeared on a number of blogs in a number of different contexts but always making the same point &#8211; that imaging can detect activity which suggests the decision to press a left or right button is made a number of milliseconds BEFORE we are consciously aware of having made the decision.  The accuracy of the prediction based on imaging has been reported at approximately 60% if I recall correctly.</p>
<p>Whilst this accuracy is greater than chance, meaning the prediction has some validity, I think that the conclusion that humans only have an illusion of free will is a very poor one.  The decision to press a left or right button is essentially a &#8220;random&#8221; decision, as random as choosing A or B can ever be from within your own mind, rather than flipping a coin.  My point is that, in a &#8220;random&#8221; decision such as this, is it really surprising that micropatterns in neural activity, which could easily be described as neural &#8220;noise&#8221; give the person a subconcious inclination to chose one button over another?  As the person may feel they are choosing the button &#8220;at random&#8221; using their own &#8220;free will&#8221; this is not surprising at all.</p>
<p>Now, if we consider a &#8220;reasoned&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;random&#8221; use of free will, the pattern might be very different.  Consider quitting smoking cigarettes, which is a hard act of free will, requiring &#8220;willpower&#8221;.  In this case, although it is not yet possible to detect this, we could hypothesize that there would be micropatterns in neural activity relating to dopamine activation of synapses following nicotine inhalation, that give the person a subconcious craving to continue smoking.  If an MRI scanner could detect this activity, we might be able to predict if a person would find it easier or harder to quit smoking, with say, 60% accuracy.</p>
<p>Whilst it is arguable that a person might not be able to quit cigarettes if the addiction and craving exceeds their &#8220;willpower&#8221; it is ridiculous to argue that the person in the study above would not have been able to change their mind and press a different button, should they so wish.  This ability, to inhibit our actions and responses, is tested by neuropsychological tests such as the Stroop Test.  I would argue that the ability to inhibit our actions and/or change our minds, examples of Executive Function, are an example of a limited capacity for &#8220;Free Will&#8221; or &#8220;Willpower&#8221;.  The fact that we might chose button A randomly over button B and that this random decision is influenced by neural noise of which we are not conscious does nothing to disprove the concept of Free Will.</p>
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		<title>By: dwood</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I failed at my first attempt to use XHTML in a comment.

I meant to put the following passage (from your post) in quotation marks:

In this case, ‘your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing’ seems to me to be the crux of the phenomenology-neurology tangle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I failed at my first attempt to use XHTML in a comment.</p>
<p>I meant to put the following passage (from your post) in quotation marks:</p>
<p>In this case, ‘your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing’ seems to me to be the crux of the phenomenology-neurology tangle.</p>
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		<title>By: dwood</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A number of blogs have covered this, and this has been my favorite one. 

&lt;q cite=&quot;In this case, ‘your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing’ seems to me to be the crux of the phenomenology-neurology tangle.&quot;&gt; 

Not to get into the hair-splitting game too much, but is it accurate to say that we are aware of *anything* our brains are doing?  I might infer that certain things are happening, say, in my occipital cortex when I see something at a certain orientation, but this isn&#039;t awareness of what my brain is doing.  
My gut feeling is that the crux of the phenomenology/neurology divide isn&#039;t so much a lack of phenomenal access to brain events as it is the absence of a mediating step between our phenomenological descriptions and our scientific descriptions, which tend to be based on different ontological (perhaps folk-ontological?) commitments.

I think you actually get at this in your closing remarks on this post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of blogs have covered this, and this has been my favorite one. </p>
<p><q cite="In this case, ‘your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing’ seems to me to be the crux of the phenomenology-neurology tangle."> </p>
<p>Not to get into the hair-splitting game too much, but is it accurate to say that we are aware of *anything* our brains are doing?  I might infer that certain things are happening, say, in my occipital cortex when I see something at a certain orientation, but this isn&#8217;t awareness of what my brain is doing.<br />
My gut feeling is that the crux of the phenomenology/neurology divide isn&#8217;t so much a lack of phenomenal access to brain events as it is the absence of a mediating step between our phenomenological descriptions and our scientific descriptions, which tend to be based on different ontological (perhaps folk-ontological?) commitments.</p>
<p>I think you actually get at this in your closing remarks on this post.</q></p>
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		<title>By: gregdowney</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, William, for the vote of confidence.  I don&#039;t think this research report is unusual in this sense -- often, it seems to me, that very interesting empirical research is interpreted in dubious fashion using non-scientific psychological terms like &#039;free will.&#039;  I try to be understanding because I think interpreting this sort of brain imaging research is genuinely difficult; in phenomenological philosophy and other places, theorists have pointed out the difficulty of noting a link between any quality of experience and an observable phenomenon in the brain, so I hope I&#039;m not too hard on these authors.

But I&#039;m also glad to know that my account doesn&#039;t seem like overly-precious semantic hair-splitting, at least to some readers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, William, for the vote of confidence.  I don&#8217;t think this research report is unusual in this sense &#8212; often, it seems to me, that very interesting empirical research is interpreted in dubious fashion using non-scientific psychological terms like &#8216;free will.&#8217;  I try to be understanding because I think interpreting this sort of brain imaging research is genuinely difficult; in phenomenological philosophy and other places, theorists have pointed out the difficulty of noting a link between any quality of experience and an observable phenomenon in the brain, so I hope I&#8217;m not too hard on these authors.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m also glad to know that my account doesn&#8217;t seem like overly-precious semantic hair-splitting, at least to some readers.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brandt</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/04/23/how-well-do-we-know-our-brains/#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Brandt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for this post. I read earlier discussion of this research on Cognitive Daily which seemed to take for granted the idea that &quot;free will&quot; was a valid neurological concept, and that it was challenged by this research. I felt, uneasily, that there was surely some sort of basic, invalid, assumption at the bottom of it all - and you have expressed the basis for my unease far more elegantly than I ever could.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post. I read earlier discussion of this research on Cognitive Daily which seemed to take for granted the idea that &#8220;free will&#8221; was a valid neurological concept, and that it was challenged by this research. I felt, uneasily, that there was surely some sort of basic, invalid, assumption at the bottom of it all &#8211; and you have expressed the basis for my unease far more elegantly than I ever could.</p>
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