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		<title>By: Western Psychology, the WEIRDEST ‘science’ &#124; eats shoots &#39;n leaves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Western Psychology, the WEIRDEST ‘science’ &#124; eats shoots &#39;n leaves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] cross cultural perceptual differences are noted here, here, and here [pdf but well worth [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Today in the NY Times: Interactions or Causes? &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/01/20/puzzles-and-cultural-differences/#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Today in the NY Times: Interactions or Causes? &#171; Neuroanthropology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] individual objects in scenes, Chinese on the overall context (I covered some relevant research in Puzzles and Cultural Differences). But he reduces it all to a “mentality”, for example, “individualistic countries tend to put [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] individual objects in scenes, Chinese on the overall context (I covered some relevant research in Puzzles and Cultural Differences). But he reduces it all to a “mentality”, for example, “individualistic countries tend to put [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s the &#8216;culture&#8217; in neuroanthropology? &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What&#8217;s the &#8216;culture&#8217; in neuroanthropology? &#171; Neuroanthropology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Normally, I would argue that Martin is over-reacting, worried about a possibility that is too remote. But then, every once in a while, I read something that helps me to realize that Martin&#8217;s fear, however exaggerated, are grounded in concrete experiences. Rather than a &#8216;dyke between nature and culture,&#8217; I find that the real issue is the slipperiness of the notion of culture that some in the brain sciences use. That is, if we look carefully at what they are using as the &#8216;cultural&#8217; in their own attempts to grapple with cross-cultural differences in the brain, cognition, and development, we find that however well meaning, given the wrong tool, one is likely to wind up with a bit of a mess. Unfortunately, although I like the majority of what they write, I fear that this is the situation with a recent piece I stumbled across by reading Encephalon&#8217;s recent posting, Briefing the Next US President on 24 Neuroscience and Psychology Issues.  Stephanie West Allen, JD, writes a fascinating blog on conflict resolution, Brains on Purpose, that&#8217;s informed by brain sciences, including a relationship of some sort with Jeffrey Schwartz, a psychiatrist who&#8217;s written a wonderful book, The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force, based on his work with sufferers of obsessive compulsive disorder (that book is a fascinating read, although some of the work on the uncertainty principle and attention at the very end of the work is much more conjectural). Her recent post, A key to cross-cultural conflict resolution: Around the world in almost 80 (0,000,000) brains, makes a number of points that I would echo and is clearly keeping up with some of the more intriguing studies that are coming out on neuroplasticity and cultural differences in perception (such as the study Daniel discussed in Puzzles and Cultural Differences). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Normally, I would argue that Martin is over-reacting, worried about a possibility that is too remote. But then, every once in a while, I read something that helps me to realize that Martin&#8217;s fear, however exaggerated, are grounded in concrete experiences. Rather than a &#8216;dyke between nature and culture,&#8217; I find that the real issue is the slipperiness of the notion of culture that some in the brain sciences use. That is, if we look carefully at what they are using as the &#8216;cultural&#8217; in their own attempts to grapple with cross-cultural differences in the brain, cognition, and development, we find that however well meaning, given the wrong tool, one is likely to wind up with a bit of a mess. Unfortunately, although I like the majority of what they write, I fear that this is the situation with a recent piece I stumbled across by reading Encephalon&#8217;s recent posting, Briefing the Next US President on 24 Neuroscience and Psychology Issues.  Stephanie West Allen, JD, writes a fascinating blog on conflict resolution, Brains on Purpose, that&#8217;s informed by brain sciences, including a relationship of some sort with Jeffrey Schwartz, a psychiatrist who&#8217;s written a wonderful book, The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force, based on his work with sufferers of obsessive compulsive disorder (that book is a fascinating read, although some of the work on the uncertainty principle and attention at the very end of the work is much more conjectural). Her recent post, A key to cross-cultural conflict resolution: Around the world in almost 80 (0,000,000) brains, makes a number of points that I would echo and is clearly keeping up with some of the more intriguing studies that are coming out on neuroplasticity and cultural differences in perception (such as the study Daniel discussed in Puzzles and Cultural Differences). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gregdowney</title>
		<link>http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/01/20/puzzles-and-cultural-differences/#comment-179</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that this sort of research seems to be a bit of a double-edged sword.  The data (even with caveats due to the small sample size) is fascinating; the interpretation of it is thorny.  So often, whatever language we use, there&#039;s a tendency to essentialize the source of the difference.  That is, because a &#039;culture&#039; is different, a processing pattern is different; or because an &#039;ethnic group&#039; is different, the brain is not the same; or because native languages are different, there are fundamental differences between the brains.

I suspect that the differences between the processing styles are less clear cut and less essential than this sort of interpretation would suggest.  The explanations are devilishly difficult to pull off, and too often, they sound like the same old &#039;West is individualist (or creative or absolutist...) and East (or whoever else) is collectivist (or conformist or relativist...).&quot;  That is, we tend to get very subtle data and research with very blunt theoretical instruments.  Anthropological discussions of culture could lend so much more to this discussion IF anthropologists didn&#039;t just throw up their hands in the face of this sort of data and complain about the nature of science (that is, treating the research methods or data, rather than the interpretation, as the source of problems like essentializing).

To me, the issue of stereotyping or unintended consequences is secondary to the intellectual issue of lousy explanatory mechanisms.  For example, between the third and fourth paragraphs of the original article that Daniel is discussing, an absolutely Devil&#039;s Canyon-sized leap is made between spatial perception of lines and boxes to notions of collective identity in &#039;Asian culture&#039; and individualism in the West.  To me, the answer to the profound differences is MUCH more likely to lie in the area of spatial perception, habitual forms of graphic representation, motor-perceptual skills, and the like.  To link visual perception to some very abstract over-arching single-sentence description of &#039;Asian culture&#039; (which, of course, is itself already a nearly impossible synthesis of the cultures of over one-half of the world&#039;s population) is a tragically bad explanatory strategy.  

I also doubt very much that the researchers can make assertions, as they do, about whether or not the subjects &#039;perceive&#039; things differently (at the retina, as they suggest) or just &#039;process&#039; visual information differently.  I&#039;m suspicious, firstly, because I&#039;m convinced by ecological psychologists like James Gibson that &#039;seeing&#039; is better understand as the active process of &#039;looking&#039; accomplished by an entire perceptual system (a theoretical objection).  Secondly, I&#039;m dubious on empirical grounds because I don&#039;t see the evidence that they&#039;ve actually done any research on this subject (such as looking at visual scanning patterns on the puzzles).  Thirdly, I am not inclined to support this argument because other recent research suggests that cultural differences actually DO affect very low-level perceptual sensation through a host of mechanisms, including downward-re-entrant synaptic links that modify the strength of perceptual stimuli.

Clearly, the research team is on to something.  People are perceiving and attempting to solve the same puzzles in different fashion, and there may be significant statistical differences in the distribution of those strategies between populations (did all &#039;Westerners&#039; try to solve the puzzles in the same way?  It doesn&#039;t sound like it is if people&#039;s strategies correlated with the degree to which they expressed stereotypical &#039;cultural attitudes.&#039;  Mind you, this is differentiation in a sample N of 10!).  I wouldn&#039;t even object so much if the cultural explanation weren&#039;t so ham-handed and elliptical.  But I&#039;m damn glad that you pointed this piece out to us, Daniel.  I&#039;ll be coming back to it as I try to work on some new stuff on the senses...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this sort of research seems to be a bit of a double-edged sword.  The data (even with caveats due to the small sample size) is fascinating; the interpretation of it is thorny.  So often, whatever language we use, there&#8217;s a tendency to essentialize the source of the difference.  That is, because a &#8216;culture&#8217; is different, a processing pattern is different; or because an &#8216;ethnic group&#8217; is different, the brain is not the same; or because native languages are different, there are fundamental differences between the brains.</p>
<p>I suspect that the differences between the processing styles are less clear cut and less essential than this sort of interpretation would suggest.  The explanations are devilishly difficult to pull off, and too often, they sound like the same old &#8216;West is individualist (or creative or absolutist&#8230;) and East (or whoever else) is collectivist (or conformist or relativist&#8230;).&#8221;  That is, we tend to get very subtle data and research with very blunt theoretical instruments.  Anthropological discussions of culture could lend so much more to this discussion IF anthropologists didn&#8217;t just throw up their hands in the face of this sort of data and complain about the nature of science (that is, treating the research methods or data, rather than the interpretation, as the source of problems like essentializing).</p>
<p>To me, the issue of stereotyping or unintended consequences is secondary to the intellectual issue of lousy explanatory mechanisms.  For example, between the third and fourth paragraphs of the original article that Daniel is discussing, an absolutely Devil&#8217;s Canyon-sized leap is made between spatial perception of lines and boxes to notions of collective identity in &#8216;Asian culture&#8217; and individualism in the West.  To me, the answer to the profound differences is MUCH more likely to lie in the area of spatial perception, habitual forms of graphic representation, motor-perceptual skills, and the like.  To link visual perception to some very abstract over-arching single-sentence description of &#8216;Asian culture&#8217; (which, of course, is itself already a nearly impossible synthesis of the cultures of over one-half of the world&#8217;s population) is a tragically bad explanatory strategy.  </p>
<p>I also doubt very much that the researchers can make assertions, as they do, about whether or not the subjects &#8216;perceive&#8217; things differently (at the retina, as they suggest) or just &#8216;process&#8217; visual information differently.  I&#8217;m suspicious, firstly, because I&#8217;m convinced by ecological psychologists like James Gibson that &#8216;seeing&#8217; is better understand as the active process of &#8216;looking&#8217; accomplished by an entire perceptual system (a theoretical objection).  Secondly, I&#8217;m dubious on empirical grounds because I don&#8217;t see the evidence that they&#8217;ve actually done any research on this subject (such as looking at visual scanning patterns on the puzzles).  Thirdly, I am not inclined to support this argument because other recent research suggests that cultural differences actually DO affect very low-level perceptual sensation through a host of mechanisms, including downward-re-entrant synaptic links that modify the strength of perceptual stimuli.</p>
<p>Clearly, the research team is on to something.  People are perceiving and attempting to solve the same puzzles in different fashion, and there may be significant statistical differences in the distribution of those strategies between populations (did all &#8216;Westerners&#8217; try to solve the puzzles in the same way?  It doesn&#8217;t sound like it is if people&#8217;s strategies correlated with the degree to which they expressed stereotypical &#8216;cultural attitudes.&#8217;  Mind you, this is differentiation in a sample N of 10!).  I wouldn&#8217;t even object so much if the cultural explanation weren&#8217;t so ham-handed and elliptical.  But I&#8217;m damn glad that you pointed this piece out to us, Daniel.  I&#8217;ll be coming back to it as I try to work on some new stuff on the senses&#8230;</p>
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